tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post5766543286137022939..comments2023-08-24T02:17:49.104-07:00Comments on LivingInUrbanSac: New Meridian Plaza II RenderingsGAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13714870590167707217noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-90313363327299537232008-01-07T13:31:00.000-08:002008-01-07T13:31:00.000-08:00Wow,I am a fan of this site and I have never seen ...Wow,<BR/><BR/>I am a fan of this site and I have never seen a back and forth like this.<BR/>I disagree with comments about San Francisco high rises being treated on each elevation. High rises in the city are nor more than precast panels with punched windows. That is so bland. Only the recent Federal court house breaks from that tradition, and its north side is noth but curtain wall.<BR/>The northAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-72607803367754034582008-01-07T10:40:00.000-08:002008-01-07T10:40:00.000-08:00They don't build crap like this in SF or LA, so wh...They don't build crap like this in SF or LA, so why is it OK to build it here? When you go to these cities and view their skylines, nearly all the towers built are attractive from all sides. This tower looks weak and unfinished from at least two sides. I don't believe it has been approved to build so there is still a chance to see some major changes to the design when heard by the committees and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-80851215589136654542008-01-07T05:04:00.000-08:002008-01-07T05:04:00.000-08:00I think its just swell....I think its just swell....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-65584868410165645302008-01-06T19:50:00.000-08:002008-01-06T19:50:00.000-08:00The Metropolitan is providing 500+ parking spots w...The Metropolitan is providing 500+ parking spots with 50 bicycle spaces on a 160' x 260' lot. Cathedral Square is providing 327 parking spots with 33 bicycle spaces on a 160' x 180' lot. Those are comparable numbers, yet the design is certainly not comparable.<BR/><BR/>To me, the building has some strengths and some weaknesses. It looks like either three different buildings at once, or one Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-31428923403364574432008-01-05T23:03:00.000-08:002008-01-05T23:03:00.000-08:00Methinks thou dost protest too muchMethinks thou dost protest too muchAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-777087236768507032008-01-04T23:14:00.000-08:002008-01-04T23:14:00.000-08:00I am not attempting to represent the designers of ...I am not attempting to represent the designers of the building, and NO, I am not THE, or a Harvard grad school guy. Quite the opposite actually.<BR/><BR/>All I wanted to do is to bring to light as wburg previously pointed out that the sight conditions have very much informed the design of the building. Additionally, please do your homework on the specifics of the pedestrian level interaction withUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07527326790892354327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-1795655454995286032008-01-04T16:17:00.000-08:002008-01-04T16:17:00.000-08:00Looks like the designers of Meridian II are big li...Looks like the designers of Meridian II are big livinginurbansac readers!<BR/><BR/>This is really interesting to see a bunch of industry professionals bag on a citizen's opinions of a highly subjective design. It's also a bit strange to refer to a design as subjective, and to also explain the aesthetics as fundamental architectural law. But I guess the irony in design is that objective thinking Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-19160141114304809832008-01-04T15:38:00.000-08:002008-01-04T15:38:00.000-08:00Well, all things considered, this building does lo...Well, all things considered, this building does look better than the buildings slated for J Street at 10th and 11th. I don't think those ones are going to look good from any direction...at least the Biltmore and the Copenhagen buildings are still beautiful on the alley side!wburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15811402557076044374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-70611205789262652922008-01-04T14:43:00.000-08:002008-01-04T14:43:00.000-08:00looks to me like the architect doesn't like you gu...looks to me like the architect doesn't like you guys puttin in your two cents worth...<BR/><BR/>lol...<BR/><BR/>chris seems to be the harvard graduate school of design guy (hrv gsd) who designed this here building...works for a slicked back hairdo tall guy in SF, architect, who is loaded with daddy's warbucks...<BR/><BR/>now don't ya'll critize this here "parti" for it comes straight from God Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-76401882671425408532008-01-04T13:44:00.000-08:002008-01-04T13:44:00.000-08:00What's with the base of this building?Is it a jail...What's with the base of this building?<BR/><BR/>Is it a jail?<BR/><BR/>Looks to me like the bottom can be sand bagged in case some gangs try to break somebody out, then there are some open exercise floors and then about 20 floors of closed jail cells and then at the top, it seems to have some more open exercise courts...<BR/><BR/>I like it...colehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18288072926866402254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-76724682342044009572008-01-04T09:17:00.000-08:002008-01-04T09:17:00.000-08:00I want to put to rest the conversation on the nort...I want to put to rest the conversation on the north and east elevations, because they are one in the same.<BR/><BR/>What some see as bland is a lack of detail in the rendering. Some of the greatest design features on buildings now are the spacing of mullions within a curtain wall system. Cesar Pelli creates bland high rises, but he uses the spacing and proportioning of the curtain wall system to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-46660559686821604652008-01-04T08:57:00.000-08:002008-01-04T08:57:00.000-08:00While Parking podiums aren't the most "sexy" archi...While Parking podiums aren't the most "sexy" architecture it is something that is greatly needed downtown. Enclosing a parking garage is extremely expensive and honestly, I am sure the developer would rather spend the money up on the skin of the building. As Anonymous said in the beginning of these posts, the Parti is extremely important to this building. If you understand the Parti you will Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07527326790892354327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-44816924245931301052008-01-03T17:19:00.000-08:002008-01-03T17:19:00.000-08:00Wburg - I use that quite a bit, but when I tried i...Wburg - I use that quite a bit, but when I tried it in the past for this project not much was showing up...the latest file from 10/31 does have more info now though:<BR/><BR/>"Construct a 24 story, 300' high, 525,000 gsf office builidng with on-site parking (433 spaces, 222,786 gsf)and ground floor retail (6500 gsf). The project will have two sub-grade parking levels connecting to the Meridian GAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13714870590167707217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-61574242859149854902008-01-03T17:03:00.000-08:002008-01-03T17:03:00.000-08:00Thanks for being a class act Berg. The Parthenon w...Thanks for being a class act Berg. <BR/><BR/>The Parthenon was awful, they were going to use lots of marble on that one too.Zwahlen Imageshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03122038976671611879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-57238977768610091702008-01-03T16:31:00.000-08:002008-01-03T16:31:00.000-08:00zwhalen images: 500 Capitol Mall was originally su...zwhalen images: 500 Capitol Mall was originally supposed to have a mdoel of the Parthenon on the top too, until enough people said it looked ridiculous. Generally, the problem isn't actually the cost of materials, that's just the excuse the developer uses when they don't want to bother changing their design.<BR/><BR/>LIUS: Try the Velocity Hall tool:<BR/>http://www.cityofsacramento.org/dsd/wburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15811402557076044374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-78286385773095028252008-01-03T16:00:00.000-08:002008-01-03T16:00:00.000-08:00I know the owners said that the Mason's / Ma Jong ...I know the owners said that the Mason's / Ma Jong site would be eventual become something else (I think that is the best available realistic site for cool park views)..but I just don't see that happening for many, many, many years.<BR/><BR/>As for MII, the part I don't like is the garage. I like how 500 Capitol Mall hides the garage much better, at least on the CM side. The top 2/3's look fine.GAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13714870590167707217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-74057091851849601292008-01-03T15:41:00.000-08:002008-01-03T15:41:00.000-08:00I do visit the Design Review Committee and write l...I do visit the Design Review Committee and write letters from time to time... but not all developers act this way Burg. 500 Capitol Mall is using marble for the entire exterior structure, they were not asked to do this… they did this on their own<BR/><BR/>Also, your spelling is awful. What's you're deal?Zwahlen Imageshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03122038976671611879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-10894892960838001442008-01-03T15:20:00.000-08:002008-01-03T15:20:00.000-08:00zehwlan amiegs: That's not my perspective, just my...zehwlan amiegs: That's not my perspective, just my interpretation. Developers always try to low-ball their architecture, building the cheapest builidngs they can in order to make the greatest profit. When anyone comments about the poor design or cheap-looking plans, they start crying about how "it won't pencil" if they have to make any improvements. Of course, what they really mean is that they wburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15811402557076044374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-16413464925115307482008-01-03T14:13:00.000-08:002008-01-03T14:13:00.000-08:00Your perspective Berg is why this city continues t...Your perspective Berg is why this city continues to build mediocre architecture. If we never expect a better quality of design and hold developers to a higher standard, then expect more of the same. <BR/><BR/>It’s been reported in the past that a mid-rise would someday fill the corner where Ma Jong’s and the Park sit now. All you have to do is look at the current trend of developers who are Zwahlen Imageshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03122038976671611879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-41980711320078975102008-01-03T13:34:00.000-08:002008-01-03T13:34:00.000-08:00The other consideration is money. I'd expect that ...The other consideration is money. I'd expect that a fancy curve costs more than a flat wall, and I know that an enclosed parking structure costs more than an open parking structure (due to ventilation requirements.) To me, the building doesn't look any less cruddy than most of the modern architecture I see going up pretty much anywhere, so personally I'm not all that sympathetic to your wburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15811402557076044374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-21876325637837266002008-01-03T12:11:00.000-08:002008-01-03T12:11:00.000-08:00chris and anonymous, did you even read what Zwahle...chris and anonymous, did you even read what Zwahlen wrote in his previous posts? <BR/><BR/>The north side needs some work and the exposed car garage sucks too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-65470621589660124672008-01-03T12:01:00.000-08:002008-01-03T12:01:00.000-08:00Chris and Anonymous:Yes, the south façade is the m...Chris and Anonymous:<BR/>Yes, the south façade is the most viewed angle but it doe’s not mean the northern façades need to be ignored design wise. When Ma Jong doe’s get developed, it will be developed to it’s full potential which is 150’. Ma Jong’s is prime real estate that sits across from Capitol Park, why would a developer only build only 5 or 6 stories at this location? When the new Zwahlen Imageshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03122038976671611879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-88944596465752663412008-01-03T09:40:00.000-08:002008-01-03T09:40:00.000-08:00A few things on the south facade. First, it is the...A few things on the south facade. First, it is the most viewed and so it has been treated as such. Second, the curve provides a sense of movement through the alley. Finally, the spire creates a grounding to the center of the alley, between MI and MII. <BR/>There is a crucial circulation axis that has been created through the ground floor of MI and the spire serves a termination of this axis.<BR/>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-87340782529268406562008-01-03T09:22:00.000-08:002008-01-03T09:22:00.000-08:00zwahlen, Have you been West down K street at the i...zwahlen, Have you been West down K street at the intersection of 15th lately? It is obvious you did not scout out the local conditions very well. Nor did you do the math on the height comparison between MI and MII. If you had, you would realize the MII is roughly double the height of MI, there will be plenty of prime views of the capitol from the upper floors. Additionally, any future developmentUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07527326790892354327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-45643868285670698282008-01-02T15:50:00.000-08:002008-01-02T15:50:00.000-08:00There are plans in the works to build a tower wher...There are plans in the works to build a tower where The Park and Ma Jong's are in the next 5 to 10 year, so the view will disappear. Also, in the rendering they don't have Meridian I visible; they don't even feature it except looking up L Street from a far. Meridian I is already built at 12 stories and will also hide the curved side facing the alley. <BR/><BR/>My point is that the design should Zwahlen Imageshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03122038976671611879noreply@blogger.com