tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post6097187182439587795..comments2023-08-24T02:17:49.104-07:00Comments on LivingInUrbanSac: R Street ProjectsGAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13714870590167707217noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-24552696559712851062007-02-09T11:13:00.000-08:002007-02-09T11:13:00.000-08:00Sweet. I have been waiting for that place to open...Sweet. I have been waiting for that place to open. I'm going to have to go check it out this weekend.GAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13714870590167707217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-2069321903151251222007-02-08T20:19:00.000-08:002007-02-08T20:19:00.000-08:00Hey- off subject but important, I think.It looks l...Hey- off subject but important, I think.<BR/>It looks like Capitol Wines just opened on 16th at L. Looks very cool. And perhaps I'm making a big deal of nothing, but I think that this is a pretty important development. Along with a couple other little hole-in-the-wall-but-substantial businesses, Sac is starting to see "nooks and crannies". San Francisco has these-little places that bring Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-65702239541829368232007-02-06T09:49:00.000-08:002007-02-06T09:49:00.000-08:00and now that i think about it... Concept C-2 there...and now that i think about it... Concept C-2 there, is actually <a href="http://www.cityofsacramento.org/econdev/documents/B.pdf">Concept B</a> that was thrown out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-20173705433009459452007-02-06T09:25:00.000-08:002007-02-06T09:25:00.000-08:00...and Concept C-2 is born!
fill the empty redeve......and Concept C-2 is born!<br /><br />fill the empty redevelopment sites with the variety of buildings that we clearly need.... then maybe we can fully utitlize Capitol Park, Miller Park, Crocker Park, Roosevelt Park, Southside Park, Oneil Field, and the Riverfront.<br /><br />though i'm not sure that the riverfront masterplan really qualifies as "nature getting bulldozed".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-69358359052543813012007-02-05T18:55:00.000-08:002007-02-05T18:55:00.000-08:00The good news is that the product of the latest R ...The good news is that the product of the latest R Street meeting goes to Planning and then to City Council within the next couple of months, and then it's done.<br /><br />Open space is overrated. Too often, random patches of open space never get used--like the green deserts in the middle of Capitol Avenue. City planners seem very proud of their little patches of "green space" but don't realize wburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15811402557076044374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-53209749855399249022007-02-05T17:30:00.000-08:002007-02-05T17:30:00.000-08:00I hope everything on that map gets built. Thanks ...I hope everything on that map gets built. Thanks for the new info.<br /><br />FYI - #15 Alchemy on R Street is well under construction. There are also some sort of multifamily units going in on the 2300 block of Q.<br /><br />It would be great if eventually there was a short headway R Street shuttle bus, or street car. As much as I like the street car concept, it would be so much cheaper and Daniel Blockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11733642387017644152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-46966751770938260382007-02-05T16:45:00.000-08:002007-02-05T16:45:00.000-08:00Damn TD... you sure know how to say it, and it's w...Damn TD... you sure know how to say it, and it's well said at that :)Zwahlen Imageshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03122038976671611879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-14002483190672622262007-02-05T15:42:00.000-08:002007-02-05T15:42:00.000-08:00I'm just ready for some of this deliberation to co...I'm just ready for some of this deliberation to come to fruitation on the west end of R Street. I wasn't at the meeting - where/when was this announced?<br /><br />and speaking of he west side... the Dock's are supposed to resurface with revised concepts right about now. has anyone heard anything?<br /><br />I was really bummed to see that "Concept C" made it through. That is the concept that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-66298009695963143902007-02-05T14:09:00.000-08:002007-02-05T14:09:00.000-08:00td: okay, I see the cynicism and share it...it doe...td: okay, I see the cynicism and share it...it does seem that whenever guidelines are established, the city has no problem with rewriting or ignoring the guidelines whenever a preferred developer wants to build a project that exceeds the new rules. In that case, instances of "shall" in the law become interpreted as "might," and new rules become surprisingly similar to new projects--and wburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15811402557076044374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-35870910425633013522007-02-05T13:50:00.000-08:002007-02-05T13:50:00.000-08:00Yeah.. i understand the intentions of guidelines.
...Yeah.. i understand the intentions of guidelines.<br /><br />My point was more of a cynical observation, in which it seems the guidelines are working in reverse, or not working at all. Where a developer proposes something that breaks the guidelines, so they go back and rewrite the book, while the neighborhood argues a moot point.<br /><br />I want the guidelines to protect the neighborhood and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-59314956409740236722007-02-05T13:43:00.000-08:002007-02-05T13:43:00.000-08:00I think you and I have always been on the same pag...I think you and I have always been on the same page when it comes to the the obvious (at least to me) structures such as restoring the old brick warehouses on R Street, the Marshall or the Berry, and dumping Buzz properties along R Street for example.<br /><br />It's the buildings like The Biltmore and Greyhound for example that make me scratch my head.GAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13714870590167707217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-28534233269860491282007-02-05T13:09:00.000-08:002007-02-05T13:09:00.000-08:00Aesthetic considerations about a city's skyline sm...Aesthetic considerations about a city's skyline smack of the schools of city planning of the early 20th century, which looked splendid as mocked-up models but worked really badly as cities where people lived. Active cities are vibrant and eclectic and are based around function, not form.<br /><br />I'm not insisting that every old building be preserved--my concern is with approach. The process wburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15811402557076044374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-69106004013108766882007-02-05T11:57:00.000-08:002007-02-05T11:57:00.000-08:00"and it's also ridiculous to worry about shadows c..."and it's also ridiculous to worry about shadows cast by 8 story buildings - on R Street especially"<br /><br />I Agree, TD. <br />---<br />There are a lot of buildings of high level of architectural, aesthetic and historic value as you mentioned in midtown, but there is an awful lot of crap that I would love to see go away too. <br /><br />Just like human character, not all character is good. GAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13714870590167707217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-89662735075501636662007-02-05T11:00:00.000-08:002007-02-05T11:00:00.000-08:00i just don't understand the snail paced, beurocrat...i just don't understand the snail paced, beurocratic approach to all these design guidelines when everyone knows damn well that projects reviewed on a case to case basis. it seems almost every development recently has bent, tweaked, or broken some sort of restriction. what's the point of continually returning to the drawing board to create more restrictions, when they always fall short of their Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-11133927878761845182007-02-05T10:47:00.000-08:002007-02-05T10:47:00.000-08:00The problem is this: Midtown is already built, pre...The problem is this: Midtown is already built, predominantly with buildings in the 2-3 story range. Many of these structures are buildings with a high level of architectural, aesthetic and historic value. Many were swept away, replaced by freeway expansion or low-rise apartment or office buildings. The relatively low survival rate of old buildings in the city's historic core means that every old wburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15811402557076044374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-64327898535824789532007-02-05T09:49:00.000-08:002007-02-05T09:49:00.000-08:00I guess I should have made my argument in the cont...I guess I should have made my argument in the contexts that tall buildings downtown should be expected, and to get worked up over buildings that will barley get out of the tree line seems silly. <br /><br />I love Sacramento and all it's trees. It just sounds nutty to me that this is an issue. Downtown and Midtown are the only places in Sacramento where high density building can take place, and Zwahlen Imageshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03122038976671611879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-78446523862504271112007-02-05T09:35:00.000-08:002007-02-05T09:35:00.000-08:00Height doesn't bother me, I'm much more interested...Height doesn't bother me, I'm much more interested on how the project works on the street level.<br /><br />I think heights along R Street of 8-10 stories are fine. I guess that would bring the limit to around 100 feet. I would even be okay with a little more as part of the 13th street station project. <br /><br />"preservation of structures is critical to the success of R Street."<br /><br />GAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13714870590167707217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-56554148421238280312007-02-05T08:39:00.000-08:002007-02-05T08:39:00.000-08:00There's a big difference, though, between the shad...There's a big difference, though, between the shadow cast by a tree and the shadow cast by a building. For starters, you can't see the sky through the shadow of a building except while they're still building it, and the leaves don't fall off a building in winter allowing much more light to pass through when it's cold. There's all the issue of what people would rather look up and see.<br /><br />wburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15811402557076044374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14666781.post-437362688433202862007-02-04T23:47:00.000-08:002007-02-04T23:47:00.000-08:00The shade from a building is far different than th...The shade from a building is far different than that from trees. That being said, shade does help keep the city cool in the summer. There is something to be said for that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com